DiabloCableGuy
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The new codex was confirmed at Games Day yesterday, GW also posted some teasers on their blog this morning, they say there will be new units and new models. Fingers crossed for that plastic Trygon!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=4600015a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=4500006a
Well, Jamie should be happy. :]
Perhaps the new rules will gimp Nidzilla armies.
There's no confirmation of a DE Codex yet, apparently it hasn't been updated for roughly 14 years or something assuming the fellow I spoke to wasn't exaggerating. He said every year there are rumours of a new DE codex but we don't see shit, so I'm not holding my breath unless the source of the rumour is reliable or it's officially confirmed.
People already think Necrons are overpowered, so a new codex is either going to gimp them or make them even more ridiculous. I hear most people use the same army lists with Necrons so hopefully a new codex will give players more viable options.
I could have remembered the Necron being OP comment from Dawn of War and not the tabletop game. But I'm quite certain that quite a few people said that most Necron players use similar lists.
GrimTalos
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The problem with Necrons is there dont have many good units so every Player is forced to use the same list, Lith,warriors,lord,Destroyers. With glancing table being changed necrons have a very hard time against mech and stand no chance in CC, they are one of the weakest armies right now.
The Necron codex is it the fluff stage.So right now they are trying to fit the necrons into the fluff and think of new fluff, they havent even started on any rules or new models yet. So it was a way to go.
I'd love to see a new DE codex if they do in fact give all the units a new look instead of just adding a few new units and changing a couple of rules. I love Dark Eldar in terms of how they play, but I just hate how they look.
DiabloCableGuy
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I wouldn't call 'liths the only good unit in the dex. A massive waste of points that brings you closer to phase out sure. If someone takes a tri-lith army against my standard list they have lost before they deploy. All I have to do is take out enough warriors to force phase out, and as loaded with AP2 weapons and blast weapons as I am it's not hard to do. Plus my Kroot can tarpit anything threatining like Wraiths.
Dark Sage ZTO
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I wouldn't call 'liths the only good unit in the dex. A massive waste of points that brings you closer to phase out sure. If someone takes a tri-lith army against my standard list they have lost before they deploy. All I have to do is take out enough warriors to force phase out, and as loaded with AP2 weapons and blast weapons as I am it's not hard to do. Plus my Kroot can tarpit anything threatining like Wraiths.
every good necron player (i do collect them myself remember; and i've spoken to GW staff about this) always has 2 monoliths in a 1500 list, maybe even 3. Obviously against the Tau it's difficult with their god-mode weaponry, but thats what i mean when i suggest Necrons need a boost with the new codex, as their best list is now a much weaker list with the new shooting rules and the new enemies that have been updated.
I'd love to be given the chance to unleash a couple of Hammerheads on those Monoliths in a match. It's probably a nice experience just to play a match with a fully painted Monolith crawling towards your units. The closest thing in the Tau that may look badass on the battlefield is probably an elite FireWarrior squad that protects the Ethereal, you could give them a unique paint job to stand out in the battlefield.
GrimTalos
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And we have the first picture of a new nid model. Its ok, it seems like they just took parts from the other nid kits and bashed them all together.
It looks like an organic musical instrument.
I feel like trying to play the Song of Storms with it as if it were an Ocarina.
GrimTalos
Member
Well here is a big post about the new codex. It sounds like Nids got the bluff they needed and may now actually be able to beat Mech armies.
Reading this almost makes me what to start a nid army.
Pics and news brought to the community by everyone's favorite masked man: Scryer In the DarknessWell, 3 for 3 guys. Its Wednesday, and Tyranids info is dropping out of the sky around us. Here 's the latest set of pics and info snippets:
Okay, a bunch of new stuff to share with you all thanks to a very nice ninja. First up just a few expanded/clarified/interesting near direct quotes from the product brief...
"Codex: Tyranids contains a whole new set of creatures that are not yet covered by Citadel Miniatures. Enthusiastic players will want to create their own Tyrannofex or Tervigon with the help of the descriptions and images from the bestiary. (The product brief advises that) these can be assembled from a combination of parts of the Carnifex, Trygon and Tyranid Monstrous Arms Bitz Pack."
"Tyranid Warriors - Can be converted to an Alpha Warrior, a Tyranid HQ, which is ideal to lead a growing army of Tyranids or support a Hive Tyrant in its task. (The product brief advises that) you can combine the Tyranid Warriors kit with the new plastic Raveners to represent an Alpha Warrior."
"Trygon - Many parts of this kit are compatible with the Carnifex, enabling customers to create their own Tyranid monstrosities. In addition to the entry in Codex: Tyranids, there is also the option for Trygon with Ravener Brood 'Tunnel Swarm' formation for Apocalypse."
"Mawloc - Special rule is called 'Terror from the Deep' and it can 'smash defenses'." (This may just be flowery descriptive text rather than necessarily in-game function)
"Pyrovore - Are melee monsters that devour their enemies, breaking down the biomass of their victims and then transforming it into a powerful acid attack (in the form of a flamer template)."
~Get a load of that marketing sample sheet of the Biovore. Also note the mention of creatures in the codex without models that you can apparently build from the other kits (Carnifex-Trygon fusions apparently). New Apoc formations for the Trygons are also reported for early next year.
sildani [Moderator] 4 hours ago
To better disseminate the info, I present the following, courtesy of Bregalad on Warseer:Only official news on Carnifexes so far:
- More attacks
- Better BS
- 1-3 Broods
- Options to make it a walking tank or cc monster.
So not completely nerfed so farAnd from Scryer in the Darkness, also from Warseer:
Right, the good news is stores should be receiving their preview Codices very soon, i.e. literally any day now, the bad news is that they won't be the full Codex... but we all kinda figured that's what GW would do, right? Hopefully some lucky stores (read GW stores) will get proper Codices. So before we get inundated with all that, a few quick snippets for you that I haven't had time to verify (a bit run off my feet sorry) but can share with you:
The Shadow in the Warp is now 12" range on 3d6, Perils of the Warp on double 1 or 6. Free for Hive Tyrant, Tyranid Warriors and Trygon Alpha.
Hive Tyrant variant called the Swarmlord. Armed with 4 Boneswords (which are greatly improved now), and loaded up with special rules but costs more than a LR.
Zoanthrope variant whose S is equal to the number of Wounds it has... and it can have up to 10.
Pyrovore's template is S6 AP4 (not AP3). Also some talk of it getting to lay down a template every time it eats an enemy model... but I'm not sure if that was just a joke.
Now on to Deep Strike stuff... seems that the Trygon cannot in fact assault a unit he Deeps Strikes onto. Follows the same rules as Drop Pods apparently, i.e. stop within 1", however the same source hints that Mycetic Spore deployment is back, soooo...
And finally some totally alleged points cost and stats...
Trygon 200pts WS5, 6 Wounds, 6 Attacks* : Mawloc 160 pts
Carnifex 170pts WS3, 4 Wounds, 4 Attacks*
* Everybody comes with two pairs of scything talons as standard. There are also some biomorphs as standard but don't know what they are.Discuss!
sildani [Moderator] 20 minutes ago
More stuff, courtesy of Scryer in the Darkness on Warseer:Wait... the Hive Mind speaks to me... it says... you will make a tasty snack, no... it says...
The Shadow in the Warp - Perils is indeed all 3 dice. No discarding of the lowest.
Boneswords - disallow armour saves and if a wound is inflicted then a Ld test must be passed to avoid Instant Death. If a pair of Boneswords, Ld test is taken on 3d6.
Carnifexes - ...hold onto your butts... must be armed identically when in Broods.
Tervigon - is a HQ that spawns Termagants.
Looks like we have our 20 shot weapon.
Tyrannofex - No name yet, but I really do think that it must be the "Thorax Swarm" - S4 AP5 Assault 20
Latest word from the Hive Mind is that Hive Tyrants come with WS8 as standard, Swarmlord WS9.Latest word from the Hive Mind is that Hive Tyrants come with WS8 as standard, Swarmlord WS9.
And other new stuff, from BramGaunt on Warseer:
Some of this has been posted before, I'll post it again, plus all I remember.
Generel rules:
Synapse Creatures
units within 12 inches are fearless. No eternal warrior.
Feral behaviour: each tyranid unit not in range of a Synapse creature has to pass a morale check or falls back to instinctive behaviour. Melee-creatures move as fast as possible to the next enemy, while shooting creatures go for the next cover and shoot at the nearest enemies. What they do is said in their entries.
Weapons: Weaponsymbionts are no longer modified by the creature they weald it. There are heavy variants of most of them for the bigger creatures.
Venom Cannon: uses 3" blast now. They suffer a additional -1 penalty against vehicles. So, a glancing hit is - 3, a penetration - 1. You can wrec vehicles with this weapon now =)
Heavy Venom Canon: S9, same as above.
Scything Talons: One pair of tham grants you rerolls on all 1's you roll to hit, two pairs allow you to reroll all of them. Bonesword causes instant death, as long as you do not pass a morale check after suffering a wound. If you bear two pairs, the morale check is made with 3 dice.
Tentacle whip: reduces the initiative of all models attacking the bearer to 1.
Crusher Claws grant d3 additional attacks.
Lots more similar changes.
Biomorphs:
They grant general special abilities now.
Examples: Toxic Glands grant you poisonod attacks (4+), adrenalin grants furious charge, etc. A injector grants Instant death on each to wound roll of 6. I don't remember them all, though.
Units:
HQ: Hive Tyrant, Alpha Warrior, Tervigon. Named ones: A special Hive Tyrant, already mentioned, and a parasite-spreading winged horror.
Hive Tyrant: Initiative 6, Weaponskill 8. Starts of with a pair of cything talons, a tentacle whip and a Bonesword. Might be given wings or heavy carapace (2+ armour save)
May chose from 4 different psychic powers:
Mental scream:
all enemy units within 18 " have to pass a morale check. if they fail it, they suffer the difference between the roll and their morale characteristic as casulties with no armour saves allowed.Lifeleech: one unit within 12 " suffer D3 autohits S3 AP2. for each casulty they suffer, the Hive Tyrant is granted one life point, up to a maximum of 10.
One that forces a unit to do a morale check or to fall back.
One shooting attack.
He might be given tactical advances, as for example to grant one standard unit outflank and +1 to reserve rolls.
Has lots of wapons available.
The special Hive Tyrant has Weaponskill 9. Wardsaves passed against wounds from him have to be rerolled.
He may buff one unit within 18 inches with prefered enemy, furious charge or two other special abilities.
Alpha Warrior:
Weaponskill 6, which he passes to a unit of warriors he joins.
Tervigon: Creates 3d6 termagaunts with standard loadout each movement phase, even if he's in close combat.
If he dies, gaunts near him suffer heavy losses.
He has his own psychic powers, though i don't remember them.
The horror is a hit and run monster with wings. Each enemy unit outflanking may suffer casualties: your oponent names one model within the unit, it has to pass a toughness test. if it fails it is killed and the tyranidplayer gets D6 Ripperswarms. He may do thesame to victims he kills in close combat.
Each Hive Tyrant may be given a Tyrant guard.
Elite
Hive Guard: up to 3 per unit, Ballistic skill of 4.
their weapons are 24 inches, S8, AP4 and assault 2.
Lictors: 1 - 3 per slot, they act together as one unit. Deployed like marbo.
still grant +1 to reserve rolls. Deep striking units do not scatter if deployed within 6 inces of a lictor, as long as he was on the table for at least one turn.Ymgarls Genestealers:
They are NOT a named unit. basically, they are Genestealers, which can morph: they may increase their Attacks, Toughness or strength characteristic at the beginning of each close combat phase.
they have the rule "hibernation": note one piece of terrain. whey the genestealers become available, they are placed in this piece of terrain. they may move, shoot and charge.
Unit size 5 - 10, no broodlord for them.
Zoanthropes:
Warp field grants 3+ ward save.
have to psycic powers: warp lightning and warp lance. warp lightning is S6 AP3 3 blaste, while the warp lance is S10 DS 2 Assault 1, lance at 18 inches.squads of 3.
There is a named Zoanthrope which is a real pain in the ass for everyone, leachinglots of lifepoints with a strong 5 " template shooting attack.
The death leaper is his own elite choice, named. WS9, Initiative 7. Me is deployed like a lictor, but may retreat and be replaced text turn.
Core
Hormagaunts:
Weapon skill 3, S3, Initiative 5, 2 attacks.Infantery.
May be given poison glands and adrenalin. Unit size 10 - 30
Gaunts:
come with.... no idea what the weapon is named in english, but it's S4 AP 5 assault 1.
For each 10 gaunts, one may be upgraded with a S2 flamethrower that wounds against the strength characteristig.Warriors: Weapon skill 5, lots of options. 4+ Armour save.
If led by a Alpha warrior they take up his Weaponskill.Genestealers: Mostly the same as before, less options. Point cost lower than Grey hunters, though. No way to boost their armour save.
Have infiltrators and fleet.
Broodlord comes with his old profile, at a point cost of a longang with a heavy boltgun.
May have two psycic powers: Confusion, which makes both player roll a D6 and add the morale characteristics of a model chosen by the tyranid player. If the result of the tyranid player is the same or higher, the chosen miniature may not attack in this close combat phase.
The other ability reduces the morale characteristic of surrounding enemies by 1.Assault:
Winged warriors are assault.Gargoyles: we knewe about them.
Harpies:
The Harpie is a flying, Trygon-sized creature that acts as a bomber. It may deploy Spore mines at a unit it flies over. Is a monstrous creature.Raveners: come with two pairs of scything talons. May have a thorax swarm: thorax swarms are a special weapon, the ammunition is chosen at the beginnig of the game. 3 different flamer variants.
Heavy Support:
Carnifexes: In squads of three. Have to carry the same loadout.You cannot boost their initiative, and I am almost sure that you cannor surpass 3+ Armour save.
when charging, carnifexes increase their initiative by t. If you buy them adrenaline ,that grants you Initiative 4 and strength 10. They still have 9 in the profile.
Carnifexes start with two pairs of scything talons and 4 attacks.Trygon: WS6, S6, 6 Lifepoints and 6 attacks.
Has a shooting attack, S6, ap5, assault 6, 12 " range.
If upgraded to a Alpha Trygon, he has 18 " and assault 12.
Tyrannofex: My favorite. a walking weapon battery.
Weapons are: Fleshborer swarm, S4 ap 5 assault 20
pyroacid spray: S6 ap 4 flamer templated, used exactly like the hellhound.
Capsule cannon: S10, AP4, assault 2, 48 " range.
unneccesary to mention that he's a monstrous creature with high toughness.
I didn't read that, but you say it's positive stuff so Jamie should be happy.
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